So do you have a web site that we can look at?
What’s the url?
Okay. have you changed it recently?
It seems different.
The big landing page.
I don’t remember that.
I just put up the big cardboard piece from Fountain
The opening page is a “mural” I made for a disability Center in Long Island
It’s interesting. I don’t remember it from before.
Its made of cut plastic and is called “forward motion”
Would you like to talk about it.
Umm 2001 maybe
Okay. there you go.
the info is in the murals section of the website
Have you been using cut plastic for some time.
I began using it my sr. yr @ Pratt
What year was that. 2000?
It was a progression of materials from paint to cut paper to cut cardboard to cut wood then the plastic stuff
the plastic was so much easier to work with and big and fast
Roger that. I’m wondering what pushed you toward that medium?
So your work is all drawn basically with an exacto correct?
I could make a 30 ft piece in the time it took me to make an 8ft one
out of wood, that is
Ummm Utility knife
It begins with photos of course
What do you think the medium of cut plastic says about you as a person or is there anything there. Because to me that would be very difficult and taxing.
They are beautiful by the way. I’m just wondering what pulled you toward it. Just that it was easier than cutting wood?
Well, I don’t like being tied to materials that are traditionally intended for making Art
Why did you go from painting to cutting?
Did you feel painting was limiting?
I began making paintings that tried to be cutout images. I was really fighting w/ the media and decided I was only using paint cuz I wanted to be a “painter”
So what do you call yourself now?
I guess you are over labels by now.
Then I’m like “screw that” and I put tracing paper over one of my oil paintings and transferred it to black matte board and “cut out” my painting. It was a liberating breakthrough
I would call you a human since I have met you in person and you seemed so personable.
I still call my works Paintings
Why is that? Because they are the traditional subtraction and addition?
I never thought it was strange. Like how light artists might refer to their work as sculptures.
Then everyone asked me what these things are (my plexi or vinyl sticker pieces or tape pieces)
Are they not more drawings than paintings. And an important question, to me with image making, isn’t it all drawing?
No one else likes calling them paintings
Umm I’m a few questions back- hold on
Sorry. I get excited.
I don’t really see them as drawings. I make my drawings on the computer now.
They are the result of the drawings
Am I caught up?
So if you take something and make it more it becomes a painting?
So drawings to you are studies kind of?
Not just that. I consider the way I work with different media as “painting” with whatever it is I’m using
So working with video is painting also to you?
Drawings are the plan for the paintings – I never really show anyone my drawings. I guess I’m not really a drawer
No, although editing seems similar
Editing video to you seems like painting?
So if that’s the case, what would you say about performance art or installation art?
I’m not really a video artist, but I love to dabble superficially in all media
I guess they all kinda come from the same place – the place where you make creative decisions
Gotcha. Thanks. Let’s go on if you don’t mind.
Then they become their own thing
So you were at Pratt for you B.F.A. or otherwise.
and screwing around
And then you stuck around Brooklyn for a bit?
I worked for a non-prof art ed org
And you met the Openground folks around and about.
and made and showed work
through a friend at Studio in a School (where I worked)
Were you showing with them or elsewhere.
I joined up for their last season, I think
When did you leave Brooklyn?
Before they gave up the space in b-burg
then took an extended art vaca. to do residencies and shows
Then you moved back home or is LA a new frontier?
LA is and was home
How is it treating you?
Love the weather!
Are you glad you are back home?
Are you staying in LA or do you still have wanderlust?
The quality of life is much better that brooklyn cuz I was poor all the time and trying to do way too much.
In LA you take it easy and enjoy nature and stuff more
I get antsy and want to move on every 4 yrs or so.
How is the LA art scene?
Have you showed there lately?
I might do the bay area next, but I always fantasize about moving back to NYC – even though I loved and hated it
I had a solo show in Echo Park last year
I hear you. I’m having the same fantasies.
Ever think about Seattle or Portland?
The art scene is much smaller and less mature than NYC, but growing in an exciting way
Ummm I’m afraid of cold, but would love to check those places out. I’ve never even been!
Yeah it’s cold. Blizzard weather. Have friends up there. I’m in Florida.
So Michael, what are you working on now.
Yeah, many young artists and galleries in LA which often makes for less mature work, but also allows for a lot of freedom and experimentation
Is there a lot of the low brow scene there?
Seems to be low brow heaven.
I’m working on a commission right now, but as soon as that’s done I’m gonna finish up a triptych called Heaven is a place online
Yeah! especially downtown where I live!
How has your work been received in low brow heaven?
I’ve also been doing more of those masking tape paintings
I don’t show around here much (or at all)
Do you currently have a day job?
I love to look at everyone elses stuff tho
Yeah I work with my fam biz, a big reason I’m stuck in LA
I don’t care one way or another. I mean I hope you can pay for your rent.
I pay it
But some folks love the whole romance of someone being a full-time artist although I’m learning all full-time artists I know have money coming in from somewhere else.
I love that idea, too
Isn’t it grand?
Most artists are still full time artists, even though they have a day job
What did you think of Art Basel?
I hear you on that. I agree 100 percent.
I’m always thinking about my art and bemoning the fact that I’m not workinf on it due to a day job.
Our minds are always somewhere else aren’t they it seems.
My studio is in my head.
Bemoning the fact. Ha….
I’m enjoying your piece we swapped on in Miami. It’s under our stairs.
I’ll send a pic soon.
Let me ask you one more serious question.
don’t expect a serious answer tho
Do you have any words of advice for young artists who are interested in pursuing a life in the arts.
work work work
and then go to med school
Okay man. Nice catching up.
Nice little look into your world.
that’s it- kinda like removing a band-aid
it was fun thanks