No I didn’t. Do you feel I have to ask someone for their permission to link to their web site and showcase some comments they made on this site? The title is homage. Of course anything can and will be taken out of context.
I’m really just trying to see as many ways of taking the content on this site, blog posts or comments and turn it into art. There is so much content on this site, maybe this will turn into a series.
Frank’s comments came to mind since he has not been of the site for some time.
I enjoyed doing Akbarism too, which was the same concept.
I don’t cotton to comments (irony) so I have no idea about the Frank story but the first image reminds me of a painting in my family by Ferdinand Keller. I remember growing up loving that painting so much I tried to make my handwriting look just like his signature.
In the past, Byron’s made it pretty clear that he doesn’t like me, my work or what I have to say. The impression I got is he’d rather see me stop posting. I don’t see the artfulness in this, as much as I see personal provocation. I’m not seeing the homage in reposting various comments I have made that upset him, but whatever makes him happy. Seems redundant and self serving. If there was a popular demand to hear more from me, I must have missed it (smile).
Anyhoo, if anyone has the interest, I have more recent recent work hanging in the Bungaow on Park. I like feedback, particularly in person, the way paintings are supposed to be seen. If anyone is inclined, I’ll buy the iced tea and fries.
Frank these were randomly chosen comments and the main reason for doing this post was to try and figure out how to use the plugin with text. Remembering you had long comments I used your content.
Also, I wouldn’t have done this or called it an Homage if I didn’t miss your commentary. I don’t dislike anyone. Wish someone would do an Homage to me. Any takers? That would be fun. Homages for everyone….
I’m not sure how this is self-serving other than taking your comments and work and mixing it together in order to make art(of which we’ve been trying to define) out of it.
I don’t think we agree on much but life wouldn’t be too fun if we all agreed.
it seems, as an outsider, that there is something basic in the language structure of these two people, Byron and Frank, like little barbs on the wire that always catch against the clothing of the other. just a strange stylistic freak accident where things get misinterpreted, and then it turns. just my perception of the thing.
i think that both people like confrontation of sorts, as Frank says paintings are meant to be seen in person, as he has invited me to speak with him on the phone. and there is byron who is more confrontational in this virtual arena. and there are the rest of us, just watching this tug of war.
personally, i always think there is value in such things, in such confrontations, regardless of the context, i would like to see byron interview Frank in person, i think that would be the end of this, since they would have their bodies to ameliorate the tension in the language. perhaps it would be more heated, i don’t know. i know that emotion is evidence of something shared.
as far as Frank’s art goes. I think they are beautiful, there’s something spacey about them, as though I was looking through eyes that picked up on different wavelengths. i wish his site had better detail, because they do merit longer looking. other than that, owing to our long discussion, they are decorative to me, they document reality, with a slight interpretation on the color or focus. of course all art could be more deeply interpreted, but i feel the same way about that as I do reading things into people that they do not say. it does not take away anything that these works are not about very much, in fact it allows me to enjoy them as objects.
as far as Frank’s comments, i do feel they have been provocative, and that’s ok with me. i agree with byron that making commentary of that sort, does sort of beg the question of why he would not post content on the site. but also, with byron, i think by doing this homage, he has lost any claims to complaining about Frank’s future participation. i’m pretty sure they are the only 2 people on globatron who have been trained to use a gun, scary.
i think we would all be happy to see a happy Hallmark ending where these two giants of Globatron meet and hug, and start on the happy road of destiny together.
i’ve had the pleasure of meeting both byron and frank in person.
prior to meeting byron, i had read several of his posts, i didn’t think i would have much in common with him as far as view points and actually was a little intimidated about getting interviewed by him thinking our view points may not mesh. after getting to meet and talk with him, i realized we have more in common than i thought and now when i read his posts, i see a different light than i saw prior to meeting him.
in the blogs, i tend to lean more towards frank’s points of view on several issues. i only got to meet frank briefly at an Art Walk, didn’t get a chance to talk art or politics for that matter. who know’s maybe in person, our views might clash. regardless, frank’s work is beautiful, it’s what i would call breathtaking. that’s just from pics, i’m going to have to find the time to go to bungalow and look at it in person.
anyway, the moral of the story is: it’s funny that as much as we want our words to express a point, sometimes it’s the human interaction that really gives us the whole story.
I would like to add a comment about Frank’s work. I’ll preface by saying that I am coming to accept that Contemporary Art ( as delineated implicitly or explicitly here ) is something I have little interest in. I’m just commenting as someone who likes to look at things.
I recently saw Frank’s work at the Bungalow. I sometimes tune out when people say “you have to see it in person – the pics don’t do the work justice”, but in this case it is really true. The pieces are gorgeous. I would have bought the triptych if I had the money. I could give more justification for the work, besides it’s beauty, but I don’t see the need yet.
As for Byron’s motivations for the post, I could see how it could come off as provocative, but I would take him at face value. He treats the entire blog as one big piece of art. It seems natural for him to remix, reference, and recontextualize it’s content as the mood strikes.
I met Frank in person and enjoyed speaking with him. I have a a lot of respect for the police too. I have a good friend who is a senior member of the JSO SWAT team. The only knowledge I have of Franks work is from a show at Bogda Gallery, his comments on the site, and from speaking with him.
I thought the paintings at Bogda were decorative. I didn’t see much more than that personally. They seemed to be studies.
I have enjoyed his comments and the depth and complexity of which he has presented them. And for that I am thankful. Thanks Frank. Frank always played devil’s advocate on the site and at times that was stressful for me (I think because my mom always did and still does this to me on everything).
What sort of got me was that this IS a contemporary art site. Contemporary art and culture are the mission of globatron. That’s the primary focus.
I felt if I was commenting on a traditional oil painting blog and adding my input, I would tread humbly and lightly. I would ask for input on how to mix oils and pigments. How to use glazes? What types of canvases and stretchers, etc. to use. But I never got that from Frank. For instance I’m all for anyone’s comments and definitely love the dialogue but I feel the blog deserves to know the context of where the comments are coming from as Ben just did, “Contemporary art is something I have little interest in”. So if Frank began by saying , “Hey look guys I probably won’t agree with much of what you guys are saying because I’m a traditional artist but I’d love to give some input”, then that would have been a completely different thing. But he never did.
That’s why I asked him to “Toe the Line.”
But as stated earlier. I do miss Franks input. And the Homage part was for real. You put a lot of work into your comments. I really appreciate it.
As of today for the first time I have received hate mail on my portfolio site. It’s funny actually:
………………….
Choken Word should be broken word. Either they let you out of the Nut House too early or start breaking you ‘prozac’ pills in half.
that right you are not everybody your a Nobody, you might try and get your GED so you can read and talk.
…………………
So I know I’m doing something right.
Oh, and thanks for the nice compliment Ben. I do see the entire blog as a work of art. All of the comments included. Hope to mix it together even more in the future.
Spammer by the name of Frank Stevy.
I found it funny actually. My sitemeter read it as someone out of Lima, Ohio. 17 minutes 46 seconds on the site. 12 page views. Running MacOSX with IP address: 71.79.253.# (Road Runner) Got to my site from a google search of my name. Could be local though who knows?
For a lot of hate they sure gave me a lot of love.
I’ll wait at the peer and see if I get them doing the re-up. Then we can add a face with the name and see where they are getting their quantity from maybe. Maybe get paperwork approved to put a trace back to their IP. Then we can possibly have something for the circuit court judge to look at and then dismiss.
everyone comments on franks work here at the bungalow, too bad no one is buying i would love to sell some of his paintings they remind me of a couple of other locals that don’t get mentioned anymore. and the commentary here is all slight of hand, the show is up till the end of the month and then it is a new one…. if anyone wants to show here at the bungalow drop by and let’s talk art
Thanks for the compliments about the work, Yvonne, Ben and Morrison. I greatly appreciate it. The Bungalow has been a pleasure to deal with.
I get mixed messages from Byron while reading all this. I don’t understand the reasoning.
Apparently I should preface my comments by placing myself apologetically in a traditional artist box, and then post? I have to identify myself – qualify myself as from the “traditional” school before I can post my opinion and, heaven forbid, disagree? That flies in the face of this wonderfully beautiful and chaotic Pluralistic art age we are in. When “Art Laws” were proposed here, it seemed to me the gates were flung wide for comments. If I’m coming from the outside, with a point of view that is incompatible with Contemporary Art (artistically or politically), then why repost my comments at all? That is redundant. For that matter, why post my work from a 2007 show that holds none of the values of Contemporary Art (my work which has been previously deemed pretty and escapist = sub-par to the ideals of C.A.)? Further redundantly.
In light of Byron’s past responses to me, I don’t think it’s my comments he missed, but rather the arguments and anger. There is a thin line between being provocative and flat out contentious.
As Akbar first implied when he pointed out that he needed to know if Byron spoke to me about this post before he responds, this reads as a continuation our past heated disagreements… and later pointing out his hate mail, moves Bryon from the provocateur to the provoked. The point of this, other than creating drama, fails me.
As far as the post being art – the worthy context between the post, work and Sinatra song is vague to me. Comparing it with what he said in the recent past, it just seems silly. Silly drama.
I don’t see where there is a request here to ‘toe the line’, but rather get dragged back across that line for more of the same.
One funny (funny weird, not funny ha ha) moment, is when an acquaintance of mine read the line ‘homeage to Frank’, he thought “did frank die?” Crazy stuff.
I’ll leave it at that. Any further conversation for me would be best served over iced tea, as earlier offered. I think everyone’s intention is clear enough.
I would not think you would understand that the post is possibly art giving the context of your artwork? Thanks for the input on that.
One of the points of the post was to give context to who you are as an artist. What type of work you make, etc.
Also, the first law was this: Akbar’s Laws #1 – Art is not Aesthetics.
To me that would seem to exclude you from having much input on it since your artwork is mainly concerned with Aesthetics. And when you did have input you could have originally prefaced it with my work is generally concerned with aesthetics so I’m most likely going to have issues with the rest of these so called “Laws”. Not apologetically but just as a statement of where you’re coming from.
I showed in the first show at Bungalow Frank. Good luck with that. Nice people. Thanks Morrison. Glad your work is so well received there. It doesn’t surprise me. This is Jacksonville and this city is generally more attracted to landscapes and what not.
In my comments I speak directly to you. In your comment you speak as if I’m not in the virtual room. Just an observation.
What is interesting to me is that your comments are very thoughtful and yet your work isn’t. Which makes me wonder why you can’t put as much thought into your comments as you do your paintings?
And Frank, I’m not the only one who feels the way I do. Just the only one who has currently spoken my mind just to clarify.
I’m personally a coffee drinker. Black. To the top.
Enjoy your tea. It’s been fun.
And I did get some hate spam from someone named Frank yesterday. No point to it other than an interesting coincidence. Interesting twist on my intentions you have.
I see more comment collage posts coming in the future. Thanks all for the input.
What is interesting to me is that your comments are very thoughtful and yet your work isn’t.
How could we know how “thoughtful” Frank’s paintings are?
It’s easy to look at peoples’ work and assume it’s just a pretty picture.
Didn’t Frank somewhere mention his work being a counterpoint to the ugliness he encounters in life? Isn’t that thoughtful? I’ve yet to see any standards for thoughtfulness offered on this site ( I could have missed them ).
And then, to just accept the value of “thoughtfulness” seems a bit unexamined.
What would you say to all the disciplines who find apex at a state of “no-mind”.
The very idea of zen painting ( and sword, calligraphy, tea ceremony, archery, floral arrangement, etc. ) is to not be thoughtful. For the practitioner to become one with his medium through the quieting of incessant mental chatter.
Would you insist upon more “thoughtful” melodies from Miles Davis?
If your reply is “none of those things would qualify as Contemporary Art”, then wouldn’t that leave Contemporary Art kind of a cold wasteland of intellectual posturing?
in my personal opinion this has become too personal.
it is one thing to have a discussion about art, about landscape, about validity and such. we all have perspectives, we are all allowed somewhat to argue for them, it’s all good like that,
but this really is a drama that is not unifying, it is dividing, and if I believe in anything it is unity.
find peace brothers, find it, it takes two, mutual surrender and compromise.
Maybe a better word would have been concept vs. thoughtfulness.
I can look at the clouds all day and have thoughts too. See animals in them, etc.
Akbar, you really think this is being too personal?
All I’m doing here really is calling Frank out for what he is which is a traditional landscape painter.
I see no harm in that. No harm in that type of work.
I think that’s one of the issues with the art world. we tread too lightly.
i mean if you’re going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
contemporary art is a different animal from what he does therefore his insight into
it can’t be that of a practitioner but of an outsider. That was the point really. i never said that was a bad thing though. I love me a nice landscape as much as the next person.
I do agree that this has become a pissing contest though.
I had good intentions with this post which was to give context to his earlier comments.
provocation is an invitation, that’s all i’m saying, and if you invite someone to participate, then criticize the form of participation, it’s a contradiction.
although I agree with you conceptually, i think there is something more than the concept at play, there seems to be something personal going on.
This is the main point of this post other than playing with the plugin and there’s nothing personal about it.
To me that would seem to exclude you from having much input on it since your artwork is mainly concerned with Aesthetics. And when you did have input you could have originally prefaced it with my work is generally concerned with aesthetics so I’m most likely going to have issues with the rest of these so called “Laws”. Not apologetically but just as a statement of where you’re coming from.
But as I originally stated above.
Of course anything can and will be taken out of context.
And as was expected it was.
I don’t mind if folks have opinions and I love dialogue but I don’t like it being done anonymously. Even though we all know Frank is a real person, he never told us anything about himself in order for us to understand the context of his comments. Again, that’s the reason I did this, to showcase his work next to his comments so we could learn more about how he could have come to those conclusions or form those opinions.
I truly believe there is nothing spiteful or condescending about putting one’s artwork next to their comments, and then to call it Homage? And I meant it when I said I missed Frank’s comments.
Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to particpate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatiblity. What more is necessary?
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to participate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatibility. What more is necessary?
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to participate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatibility. What more is necessary?
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
Akbar how on earth could we have mixed his comment up in the same order at nearly the same time? What are the chances of that? Really. The universe works in mysterious ways.
I’m very confused?
Is Byron King also the Akbar?
Sometimes on here I do not know who is who.
I know Byron is the Globatron.
And I know that Byron is the Contributor.
Is he also Professor Mark Cregan?
I just can’t tell anymore.
Poor old Policeman Frank may not know this.
Frank, these are tough times,
the local artists in Jacksonville seem to be losing their minds.
Artists are so poor that they seem to the normal person that they are crazy, poverty does bad things to these people.
You are policeman, you see this thinking all of the time.
Maybe the artists on this blog are mad because they are starving artist?
Frank you should pray to God that you have a job.
32 Comments
Akbar Lightning
March 4, 2009i am curious if you spoke with frank about this post?
i would read this post differently depending upon frank’s consent.
akbar
p.s. – i will comment about the work after.
Byron King
March 4, 2009No I didn’t. Do you feel I have to ask someone for their permission to link to their web site and showcase some comments they made on this site? The title is homage. Of course anything can and will be taken out of context.
I’m really just trying to see as many ways of taking the content on this site, blog posts or comments and turn it into art. There is so much content on this site, maybe this will turn into a series.
Frank’s comments came to mind since he has not been of the site for some time.
I enjoyed doing Akbarism too, which was the same concept.
http://www.globatron.org/globatron/akbarism
Akbar Lightning
March 4, 2009yo dog,
in light of some of the comments you have made about Frank’s participation, i think this post is a bit provocative.
it felt to me that you were unhappy with some of Frank’s participation, and this post confuses me because of that.
akbar
Byron King
March 4, 2009I feel you. It’s all content for collaging. I wanted to align his paintings with his comments so we could get some context.
Also, as much as I disagreed with most of his comments I actually miss Franks participation.
biggie tea
March 4, 2009I don’t cotton to comments (irony) so I have no idea about the Frank story but the first image reminds me of a painting in my family by Ferdinand Keller. I remember growing up loving that painting so much I tried to make my handwriting look just like his signature.
markcreegan
March 4, 2009Hey Tony!
Yes I think these paintings have a very interesting mood. Certainly these can be carried further but some nice facilities here.
Frank
March 4, 2009In the past, Byron’s made it pretty clear that he doesn’t like me, my work or what I have to say. The impression I got is he’d rather see me stop posting. I don’t see the artfulness in this, as much as I see personal provocation. I’m not seeing the homage in reposting various comments I have made that upset him, but whatever makes him happy. Seems redundant and self serving. If there was a popular demand to hear more from me, I must have missed it (smile).
Anyhoo, if anyone has the interest, I have more recent recent work hanging in the Bungaow on Park. I like feedback, particularly in person, the way paintings are supposed to be seen. If anyone is inclined, I’ll buy the iced tea and fries.
Byron King
March 4, 2009Frank these were randomly chosen comments and the main reason for doing this post was to try and figure out how to use the plugin with text. Remembering you had long comments I used your content.
Also, I wouldn’t have done this or called it an Homage if I didn’t miss your commentary. I don’t dislike anyone. Wish someone would do an Homage to me. Any takers? That would be fun. Homages for everyone….
I’m not sure how this is self-serving other than taking your comments and work and mixing it together in order to make art(of which we’ve been trying to define) out of it.
I don’t think we agree on much but life wouldn’t be too fun if we all agreed.
Akbar Lightning
March 4, 2009and they are off and running, ha ha.
it seems, as an outsider, that there is something basic in the language structure of these two people, Byron and Frank, like little barbs on the wire that always catch against the clothing of the other. just a strange stylistic freak accident where things get misinterpreted, and then it turns. just my perception of the thing.
i think that both people like confrontation of sorts, as Frank says paintings are meant to be seen in person, as he has invited me to speak with him on the phone. and there is byron who is more confrontational in this virtual arena. and there are the rest of us, just watching this tug of war.
personally, i always think there is value in such things, in such confrontations, regardless of the context, i would like to see byron interview Frank in person, i think that would be the end of this, since they would have their bodies to ameliorate the tension in the language. perhaps it would be more heated, i don’t know. i know that emotion is evidence of something shared.
as far as Frank’s art goes. I think they are beautiful, there’s something spacey about them, as though I was looking through eyes that picked up on different wavelengths. i wish his site had better detail, because they do merit longer looking. other than that, owing to our long discussion, they are decorative to me, they document reality, with a slight interpretation on the color or focus. of course all art could be more deeply interpreted, but i feel the same way about that as I do reading things into people that they do not say. it does not take away anything that these works are not about very much, in fact it allows me to enjoy them as objects.
as far as Frank’s comments, i do feel they have been provocative, and that’s ok with me. i agree with byron that making commentary of that sort, does sort of beg the question of why he would not post content on the site. but also, with byron, i think by doing this homage, he has lost any claims to complaining about Frank’s future participation. i’m pretty sure they are the only 2 people on globatron who have been trained to use a gun, scary.
i think we would all be happy to see a happy Hallmark ending where these two giants of Globatron meet and hug, and start on the happy road of destiny together.
Lord loves the working man,
akbar
Yvonne
March 4, 2009i’ve had the pleasure of meeting both byron and frank in person.
prior to meeting byron, i had read several of his posts, i didn’t think i would have much in common with him as far as view points and actually was a little intimidated about getting interviewed by him thinking our view points may not mesh. after getting to meet and talk with him, i realized we have more in common than i thought and now when i read his posts, i see a different light than i saw prior to meeting him.
in the blogs, i tend to lean more towards frank’s points of view on several issues. i only got to meet frank briefly at an Art Walk, didn’t get a chance to talk art or politics for that matter. who know’s maybe in person, our views might clash. regardless, frank’s work is beautiful, it’s what i would call breathtaking. that’s just from pics, i’m going to have to find the time to go to bungalow and look at it in person.
anyway, the moral of the story is: it’s funny that as much as we want our words to express a point, sometimes it’s the human interaction that really gives us the whole story.
-y
Another Ben
March 4, 2009I would like to add a comment about Frank’s work. I’ll preface by saying that I am coming to accept that Contemporary Art ( as delineated implicitly or explicitly here ) is something I have little interest in. I’m just commenting as someone who likes to look at things.
I recently saw Frank’s work at the Bungalow. I sometimes tune out when people say “you have to see it in person – the pics don’t do the work justice”, but in this case it is really true. The pieces are gorgeous. I would have bought the triptych if I had the money. I could give more justification for the work, besides it’s beauty, but I don’t see the need yet.
As for Byron’s motivations for the post, I could see how it could come off as provocative, but I would take him at face value. He treats the entire blog as one big piece of art. It seems natural for him to remix, reference, and recontextualize it’s content as the mood strikes.
Akbar Lightning
March 4, 2009good point Another Ben
Byron King
March 4, 2009I met Frank in person and enjoyed speaking with him. I have a a lot of respect for the police too. I have a good friend who is a senior member of the JSO SWAT team. The only knowledge I have of Franks work is from a show at Bogda Gallery, his comments on the site, and from speaking with him.
I thought the paintings at Bogda were decorative. I didn’t see much more than that personally. They seemed to be studies.
I have enjoyed his comments and the depth and complexity of which he has presented them. And for that I am thankful. Thanks Frank. Frank always played devil’s advocate on the site and at times that was stressful for me (I think because my mom always did and still does this to me on everything).
What sort of got me was that this IS a contemporary art site. Contemporary art and culture are the mission of globatron. That’s the primary focus.
I felt if I was commenting on a traditional oil painting blog and adding my input, I would tread humbly and lightly. I would ask for input on how to mix oils and pigments. How to use glazes? What types of canvases and stretchers, etc. to use. But I never got that from Frank. For instance I’m all for anyone’s comments and definitely love the dialogue but I feel the blog deserves to know the context of where the comments are coming from as Ben just did, “Contemporary art is something I have little interest in”. So if Frank began by saying , “Hey look guys I probably won’t agree with much of what you guys are saying because I’m a traditional artist but I’d love to give some input”, then that would have been a completely different thing. But he never did.
That’s why I asked him to “Toe the Line.”
But as stated earlier. I do miss Franks input. And the Homage part was for real. You put a lot of work into your comments. I really appreciate it.
As of today for the first time I have received hate mail on my portfolio site. It’s funny actually:
………………….
Choken Word should be broken word. Either they let you out of the Nut House too early or start breaking you ‘prozac’ pills in half.
that right you are not everybody your a Nobody, you might try and get your GED so you can read and talk.
…………………
So I know I’m doing something right.
Oh, and thanks for the nice compliment Ben. I do see the entire blog as a work of art. All of the comments included. Hope to mix it together even more in the future.
Akbar Lightning
March 4, 2009wow dude, that sucks man, i’m sorry you got that hate projected at you man, that’s horrible, it’s cowardice. do you know who it was?
akbar
Byron King
March 4, 2009It’s all in the game Akbar. All in the game.
Spammer by the name of Frank Stevy.
I found it funny actually. My sitemeter read it as someone out of Lima, Ohio. 17 minutes 46 seconds on the site. 12 page views. Running MacOSX with IP address: 71.79.253.# (Road Runner) Got to my site from a google search of my name. Could be local though who knows?
For a lot of hate they sure gave me a lot of love.
I’ll wait at the peer and see if I get them doing the re-up. Then we can add a face with the name and see where they are getting their quantity from maybe. Maybe get paperwork approved to put a trace back to their IP. Then we can possibly have something for the circuit court judge to look at and then dismiss.
All in the game.
Akbar Lightning
March 5, 2009indeed bra!
morrison
March 5, 2009Frank vs. globatron
everyone comments on franks work here at the bungalow, too bad no one is buying i would love to sell some of his paintings they remind me of a couple of other locals that don’t get mentioned anymore. and the commentary here is all slight of hand, the show is up till the end of the month and then it is a new one…. if anyone wants to show here at the bungalow drop by and let’s talk art
Frank
March 5, 2009Thanks for the compliments about the work, Yvonne, Ben and Morrison. I greatly appreciate it. The Bungalow has been a pleasure to deal with.
I get mixed messages from Byron while reading all this. I don’t understand the reasoning.
Apparently I should preface my comments by placing myself apologetically in a traditional artist box, and then post? I have to identify myself – qualify myself as from the “traditional” school before I can post my opinion and, heaven forbid, disagree? That flies in the face of this wonderfully beautiful and chaotic Pluralistic art age we are in. When “Art Laws” were proposed here, it seemed to me the gates were flung wide for comments. If I’m coming from the outside, with a point of view that is incompatible with Contemporary Art (artistically or politically), then why repost my comments at all? That is redundant. For that matter, why post my work from a 2007 show that holds none of the values of Contemporary Art (my work which has been previously deemed pretty and escapist = sub-par to the ideals of C.A.)? Further redundantly.
In light of Byron’s past responses to me, I don’t think it’s my comments he missed, but rather the arguments and anger. There is a thin line between being provocative and flat out contentious.
As Akbar first implied when he pointed out that he needed to know if Byron spoke to me about this post before he responds, this reads as a continuation our past heated disagreements… and later pointing out his hate mail, moves Bryon from the provocateur to the provoked. The point of this, other than creating drama, fails me.
As far as the post being art – the worthy context between the post, work and Sinatra song is vague to me. Comparing it with what he said in the recent past, it just seems silly. Silly drama.
I don’t see where there is a request here to ‘toe the line’, but rather get dragged back across that line for more of the same.
One funny (funny weird, not funny ha ha) moment, is when an acquaintance of mine read the line ‘homeage to Frank’, he thought “did frank die?” Crazy stuff.
I’ll leave it at that. Any further conversation for me would be best served over iced tea, as earlier offered. I think everyone’s intention is clear enough.
byron king
March 6, 2009Ouch…
Served over tea?
I would not think you would understand that the post is possibly art giving the context of your artwork? Thanks for the input on that.
One of the points of the post was to give context to who you are as an artist. What type of work you make, etc.
Also, the first law was this: Akbar’s Laws #1 – Art is not Aesthetics.
To me that would seem to exclude you from having much input on it since your artwork is mainly concerned with Aesthetics. And when you did have input you could have originally prefaced it with my work is generally concerned with aesthetics so I’m most likely going to have issues with the rest of these so called “Laws”. Not apologetically but just as a statement of where you’re coming from.
I showed in the first show at Bungalow Frank. Good luck with that. Nice people. Thanks Morrison. Glad your work is so well received there. It doesn’t surprise me. This is Jacksonville and this city is generally more attracted to landscapes and what not.
In my comments I speak directly to you. In your comment you speak as if I’m not in the virtual room. Just an observation.
What is interesting to me is that your comments are very thoughtful and yet your work isn’t. Which makes me wonder why you can’t put as much thought into your comments as you do your paintings?
And Frank, I’m not the only one who feels the way I do. Just the only one who has currently spoken my mind just to clarify.
I’m personally a coffee drinker. Black. To the top.
Enjoy your tea. It’s been fun.
And I did get some hate spam from someone named Frank yesterday. No point to it other than an interesting coincidence. Interesting twist on my intentions you have.
I see more comment collage posts coming in the future. Thanks all for the input.
Another Ben
March 6, 2009How could we know how “thoughtful” Frank’s paintings are?
It’s easy to look at peoples’ work and assume it’s just a pretty picture.
Didn’t Frank somewhere mention his work being a counterpoint to the ugliness he encounters in life? Isn’t that thoughtful? I’ve yet to see any standards for thoughtfulness offered on this site ( I could have missed them ).
And then, to just accept the value of “thoughtfulness” seems a bit unexamined.
What would you say to all the disciplines who find apex at a state of “no-mind”.
The very idea of zen painting ( and sword, calligraphy, tea ceremony, archery, floral arrangement, etc. ) is to not be thoughtful. For the practitioner to become one with his medium through the quieting of incessant mental chatter.
Would you insist upon more “thoughtful” melodies from Miles Davis?
If your reply is “none of those things would qualify as Contemporary Art”, then wouldn’t that leave Contemporary Art kind of a cold wasteland of intellectual posturing?
I’ll take my answers off the air, thank you.
Akbar Lightning
March 6, 2009in my personal opinion this has become too personal.
it is one thing to have a discussion about art, about landscape, about validity and such. we all have perspectives, we are all allowed somewhat to argue for them, it’s all good like that,
but this really is a drama that is not unifying, it is dividing, and if I believe in anything it is unity.
find peace brothers, find it, it takes two, mutual surrender and compromise.
akbar
Byron King
March 6, 2009Maybe a better word would have been concept vs. thoughtfulness.
I can look at the clouds all day and have thoughts too. See animals in them, etc.
Akbar, you really think this is being too personal?
All I’m doing here really is calling Frank out for what he is which is a traditional landscape painter.
I see no harm in that. No harm in that type of work.
I think that’s one of the issues with the art world. we tread too lightly.
i mean if you’re going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
contemporary art is a different animal from what he does therefore his insight into
it can’t be that of a practitioner but of an outsider. That was the point really. i never said that was a bad thing though. I love me a nice landscape as much as the next person.
I do agree that this has become a pissing contest though.
I had good intentions with this post which was to give context to his earlier comments.
Akbar Lightning
March 6, 2009provocation is an invitation, that’s all i’m saying, and if you invite someone to participate, then criticize the form of participation, it’s a contradiction.
although I agree with you conceptually, i think there is something more than the concept at play, there seems to be something personal going on.
akbar
Byron King
March 6, 2009Not at all. Nothing but love Akbar.
This is the main point of this post other than playing with the plugin and there’s nothing personal about it.
But as I originally stated above.
And as was expected it was.
I don’t mind if folks have opinions and I love dialogue but I don’t like it being done anonymously. Even though we all know Frank is a real person, he never told us anything about himself in order for us to understand the context of his comments. Again, that’s the reason I did this, to showcase his work next to his comments so we could learn more about how he could have come to those conclusions or form those opinions.
I truly believe there is nothing spiteful or condescending about putting one’s artwork next to their comments, and then to call it Homage? And I meant it when I said I missed Frank’s comments.
It takes all voices to make a community.
Frank
March 6, 2009Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to particpate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatiblity. What more is necessary?
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
Silly.
Byron King
March 6, 2009Silly.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to participate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatibility. What more is necessary?
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
Akbar Lightning
March 6, 2009Silly.
There were a hundred or so ‘Art Laws’ comments to sort out the opinions of everyone who choose to participate. There was even one focusing directly on conservative views/art process incompatibility. What more is necessary?
Is the post itself art? Is it a test of the blogs text capabilities? Is it to point out Frank’s lack of qualifications to post about subjects I don’t know nuthin’ about? Is it a homage, which by definition references deep respect? Is it because I’m missed? Byron changes the reason every other comment.
There is something strangely personal about this post, but it’s not coming from me, as I’m not a contributor. This feels kinda like the Monster Art drama.
Akbar, I’m at peace with the differences. My confusion is why those differences need to be pointed out over and over again – to the point of obsession.
Byron King
March 6, 2009Akbar how on earth could we have mixed his comment up in the same order at nearly the same time? What are the chances of that? Really. The universe works in mysterious ways.
Akbar Lightning
March 6, 2009i love the ‘repeating everything the other guy said’ game. i’m all in.
frank is here to stay, in my book, and this rivalry should remain humorous, and fun, if it remains, just my 2 cents worth.
Frank
March 6, 2009wow.
kathy jackson
March 10, 2009I’m very confused?
Is Byron King also the Akbar?
Sometimes on here I do not know who is who.
I know Byron is the Globatron.
And I know that Byron is the Contributor.
Is he also Professor Mark Cregan?
I just can’t tell anymore.
Poor old Policeman Frank may not know this.
Frank, these are tough times,
the local artists in Jacksonville seem to be losing their minds.
Artists are so poor that they seem to the normal person that they are crazy, poverty does bad things to these people.
You are policeman, you see this thinking all of the time.
Maybe the artists on this blog are mad because they are starving artist?
Frank you should pray to God that you have a job.
Akbar Lightning
March 10, 2009hi Kathy, i think i can help you sort this out.
Yes, Akbar is another character created by Byron King, but he represents a deep innate force of creation.
Professor Mark Creegan and Frank are actually the same person, it’s all a big game, but the consequences are deadly serious.
stay close, get involved, take a position, become a contributor, dive down the rabbit hole Kathy and never look back!!!
akbar