i wish obama called McCain out on the “maverick” thing. That may have been true 6,8,10 years ago, but when you choose a running mate to placate the religious right, i dont think that can title is deserving. I wish he had asked “What happened?”
- 27 September 2008 at 12:53 pm
morrison said:
david and goliath, this country needs drastic change, whether obama is elected or not this coming winter will be the worst for americans since the great depression. swallowed by greed our current leaders have led us into the abyss, no way out china wants their money………
I wish he would have asked about how could he support veterans and not support the new MGIB that passed without his help. That to me is as clear as it can be that his actions are not supporting his words.
barak obama won. mccain held his temper, but was visibly shaken at times. we need the youth as we move into treacherous times with not only our financial underpinnings shaken, but those around the globe because of our dreadful greed and avarice. barak said the truth, we are entering a phase that seems to have all of the elements necessary for a depression larger than the ones my parents barely existed through. we are not “on point” – we are not paying attention. batten down the hatches, because no matter what the 545 decide to do with this crisis, it “has legs” and will shake our great country, no matter who is in the seat the next go ’round. we are entering a very dangerous and unequivocaly challenged time in our American history. at the end of the day, it’s all about oil, gas and water – and it’s on the global stage, not the local, regional or national. we have got to encourage the youth to become more involved as many of us who are older will find our hard lifelong work and savings are compromised, and retirement may not exist for the masses. look at the jobless rates – this are an important indicator. this morning, those interviewed on npr stated jacksonville has the highest rate of people losing their houses in the state of florida; now, couple this with the murder rate here, and you have a social predicament of gargantuan proportions. and then we do not teach our children to read – we are entering white water territory. i am astonished and shocked at the choice of palin, not because she is a woman, simply becuase she does not have the skill set to be vice president and a heartbeat away from the presidency of this great nation. what in the hell was mccain thinking…putting a “maverick” on a ticket when we are in TWO WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is no time for maverick decisions or maverick behavior, we are in very serious times. very, very serious. we need to find the “thinkers” and put them with the “doers” and get ourselves back on track – we are not leading! it is the American way to lead, and we have lost our way. We continue down into the muck and into the weeds without focusing on the path out of the danger.
- 27 September 2008 at 5:39 pm
kurt polkey said:
It was a tie. I wish Nader was a viable option.
- 28 September 2008 at 2:33 pm
globatron said:
I disagree. I thought Obama definitely won although McCain did better than I had expected.
This election has become very personal for me for some reason. I got into it with my oldest brother at my older brother’s wedding rehearsal dinner.
I myself don’t understand why people don’t see Obama as the best of the two candidates and definitely ready to be President. I believe if he was white it would be over. And that’s sad.
Kurt if I could ask, why do you not think Obama is not a viable option? I’m sure you have been versed in the difference between the two candidates on the issues. The differences are night and day.
What I got from my brother was that he believed all politicians are the same. He also wanted to vote for Nader after being a lifetime Republican. Why do some Americans not see either candidate as being worthy of the position?
I believe myself, that this apathy is because a lot of American’s have given up on our government. That they believe a candidate from either party is just seen as a talking head of the two parties that have left Americans behind.
I asked my brother, “What if Obama is different.” What if it’s not business as usual? I think the undecideds myself have given up hope in America. I have to believe that Obama can make a difference. The alternatives are just too dire otherwise. I can’t live a life without hope. Life is too short to do so. I can’t have my children inherit a country without it also.
And he said I have drunk the cool-aid. That I’ve put Obama up on a pedestal. That’s not it at all really. I just want to believe that he actually can be different. If he proves me wrong that will be nothing new to me. But I have to have this faith.
I voted for Nader in 2000. I was proud of that vote when I cast it. I thought that both candidates were basically talking heads and that I didn’t want to vote for either of them. That both parties were promising everything and would deliver nothing. Little did I know that eight years later our country would be facing the issues it is today. I wish we could hit a reverse button and let Gore have a chance at the past eight years. I have a feeling they would be much much different.
The way McCain would deal with Foreign Policy alone scares the shit out of me. We don’t need a cowboy speaking from the hip anymore. We need a reserved well thought out intellectual who thinks of all the issues in a Socratic manner. And approaches dealing with them logically and patiently.
It scares me to think McCain could be president after he can say things like, “I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw the three letters, KGB”, in the debate. One liners on foreign policy are not acceptable in my world anymore. I hope they aren’t in yours either. The world is too connected and complicagted to have Mavericks and cowboys running it anymore. We need to regain faith of our allies and begin democratic talks with our enemies.
Pushing our enemies into a corner and blasting empty threats has done nothing but to worsen our standing in the world. This has been proven as the Bush regime has begun to change course just currently.
What gets me is that the American people can’t see some of the bullshit McCain is shoveling. One of his great lines on his stump speech is about how he’s fought his own party. What does that mean really? That means he’s acted as a Democrat on those issues he’s fought them on. So we have a Maverick that is in other words claiming he’s acted as a Democrat on many issues he’s fought his own party on. Even after voting 90% of the time with Bush on the issues he’s not fighting them on. So he’s 10% a Democrat and 90% just like Bush. Can we take that risk now with so much at stake?
And he’s said over 18 times that he’s about deregulation in the markets on this very campaign and now that the deregulation has failed he claims that he’s for more regulation. Another blatant hypocrisy.
And you couple all of this with a Vice Presidential candidate who believes the world was created 4000 years ago. Doesn’t believe polar bears should be on the endangered species list, and honestly believes that Alaska having a proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, that global warming wasn’t caused by humans, and you have the biggest joke of a Republican candidates I’ve seen in my lifetime.
I don’t know how the choice couldn’t be more evident that Obama/Biden are the best ticket. I’m sorry you feel this way Kurt. I would love you to explain your side of it.
My mom, and two brothers are conservative and also don’t agree with me so I’m ok with you not agreeing but if you could explain your side I would really appreciate it. I can’t talk to my family about politics or religion anymore.
- 28 September 2008 at 3:12 pm
kurt polkey said:
Here’s the problem. Obama doesn’t hesitate when he says he wants to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and he’ll send bombs into Pakistan if he feels it’s needed. I don’t think that is enough of a change. I see our military all over the world, and I ask myself “why”? Neither of these guys will lay it all out there. When Mondale said he would raise taxes, he received a serious beat down from Ronald Reagan. But at least Mondale was honest. I like Obama more than McCain, I think that’s obvious, but I don’t think Obama is nearly enough to the left as I want. I think health care should be free. Same with college and daycare. I know Obama won’t change any of these issues to the degree that I want them to be. And I don’t believe in war.
Well the way I see it we still have to go after our first target which was Osama bin Laden. That’s the main reason we are in Afghanistan and why we are trying to target him if he is indeed in Pakistan.
We fubarred Iraq and Afghanistan so much that if we don’t get him that will be the real historical blunder of America. The economy will pail I believe historically in comparison if we allow him to live out his life without bringing him to justice. I hate to sound like a cowboy. It’s so surreal that we would attack Iraq before getting bin Laden first. Now it will take decades to rebuild a country we destroyed.
I don’t believe in war either but going after bin Laden isn’t really a war. To me it’s more like a witch hunt. I myself don’t understand why we need thousands of troops to find one man. I would think the right Operatives, be it CIA, Special Forces, etc. could take out these targets. How can a many disappear on this planet with so much satellite surveillance.
Obama would be moving our country more to the left. He has become sort of a moderate while running his campaign but when he began this endeavor I think you would have liked his stance on the issues much more. I’m hoping if and once elected he moves further left and begins the revolution we need here, on education, healthcare, etc. that we so dearly need.
But dude. thanks for sharing. I appreciate it.
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I just wrote all of this. Talked to my wife, and she made me question what it’s worth getting Osama anyway. It’s more symbolic than anything correct? If we kill him will there not be another Osama? So would letting him go be the more “Christian” thing to do anyway.
It’s really just such a bloody mess. I do think there will be another attack on American soil regardless of the war on Terror. And I feel it’s done nothing but stir up a wasp’s nest.
- 28 September 2008 at 9:24 pm
kurt polkey said:
I agree with your wife Byron. We were talking last night – “when will enough be enough”. I just don’t think there is any way to catch Bin Laden without alienating ourselves even more in that region. Plus I don’t know the exact specifics, but it seems like his is in bad health and he’s forced to live in hiding.
There’s terrorist attacks all over the world. I know of four terrorist attacks, if you don’t include assassinations, two on the world trade centers, one in Oklahoma, and one in Atlanta. We have to keep in mind that two of those attacks were by Americans. Why have we treated foreign terrorists so much worse than American terrorists? I mean all the destruction our country has done, not to mention how we’ve destroyed our international standing, for what, to get Osama Bin Laden. It hasn’t been worth it.
I think we should bow out the best way we can. Do our best to help people who need it. Start acting like the country we profess to be.
Part of the problem too, is the people in this country are by and large either dumb or apathetic (not anyone on this blog though).
Yeah. I wonder how much blood is enough blood before we feel we have gotten revenge. What is interesting to me also is that the Bush regime’s base is die hard evangelical Christians also and how turning the other cheek is supposed to be in their programming.
If Osama is some old sick man in a cave somewhere I believe he did win the war regardless. Our economy is about to topple it seems and fighting the two wars I’m sure had a major part of putting us into this financial crisis.
If we could reverse it and just go all the way back to 911 what would be the best approach. Since hindsight is 20/20 what should we have done?
- 29 September 2008 at 12:33 am
kurt polkey said:
I don’t know what the best approach would have been. I think we would have to go back way before 2001 to fix these problems. For sure we should have had the support of the international community. Which, if you guys remember, we did. Most of the world was on our side right after 9-11.
- 29 September 2008 at 7:25 pm
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i wish obama called McCain out on the “maverick” thing. That may have been true 6,8,10 years ago, but when you choose a running mate to placate the religious right, i dont think that can title is deserving. I wish he had asked “What happened?”
david and goliath, this country needs drastic change, whether obama is elected or not this coming winter will be the worst for americans since the great depression. swallowed by greed our current leaders have led us into the abyss, no way out china wants their money………
I wish he would have asked about how could he support veterans and not support the new MGIB that passed without his help. That to me is as clear as it can be that his actions are not supporting his words.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/mccain-is-awol-on-new-gi_n_94791.html
barak obama won. mccain held his temper, but was visibly shaken at times. we need the youth as we move into treacherous times with not only our financial underpinnings shaken, but those around the globe because of our dreadful greed and avarice. barak said the truth, we are entering a phase that seems to have all of the elements necessary for a depression larger than the ones my parents barely existed through. we are not “on point” – we are not paying attention. batten down the hatches, because no matter what the 545 decide to do with this crisis, it “has legs” and will shake our great country, no matter who is in the seat the next go ’round. we are entering a very dangerous and unequivocaly challenged time in our American history. at the end of the day, it’s all about oil, gas and water – and it’s on the global stage, not the local, regional or national. we have got to encourage the youth to become more involved as many of us who are older will find our hard lifelong work and savings are compromised, and retirement may not exist for the masses. look at the jobless rates – this are an important indicator. this morning, those interviewed on npr stated jacksonville has the highest rate of people losing their houses in the state of florida; now, couple this with the murder rate here, and you have a social predicament of gargantuan proportions. and then we do not teach our children to read – we are entering white water territory. i am astonished and shocked at the choice of palin, not because she is a woman, simply becuase she does not have the skill set to be vice president and a heartbeat away from the presidency of this great nation. what in the hell was mccain thinking…putting a “maverick” on a ticket when we are in TWO WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is no time for maverick decisions or maverick behavior, we are in very serious times. very, very serious. we need to find the “thinkers” and put them with the “doers” and get ourselves back on track – we are not leading! it is the American way to lead, and we have lost our way. We continue down into the muck and into the weeds without focusing on the path out of the danger.
It was a tie. I wish Nader was a viable option.
I disagree. I thought Obama definitely won although McCain did better than I had expected.
This election has become very personal for me for some reason. I got into it with my oldest brother at my older brother’s wedding rehearsal dinner.
I myself don’t understand why people don’t see Obama as the best of the two candidates and definitely ready to be President. I believe if he was white it would be over. And that’s sad.
Kurt if I could ask, why do you not think Obama is not a viable option? I’m sure you have been versed in the difference between the two candidates on the issues. The differences are night and day.
What I got from my brother was that he believed all politicians are the same. He also wanted to vote for Nader after being a lifetime Republican. Why do some Americans not see either candidate as being worthy of the position?
I believe myself, that this apathy is because a lot of American’s have given up on our government. That they believe a candidate from either party is just seen as a talking head of the two parties that have left Americans behind.
I asked my brother, “What if Obama is different.” What if it’s not business as usual? I think the undecideds myself have given up hope in America. I have to believe that Obama can make a difference. The alternatives are just too dire otherwise. I can’t live a life without hope. Life is too short to do so. I can’t have my children inherit a country without it also.
And he said I have drunk the cool-aid. That I’ve put Obama up on a pedestal. That’s not it at all really. I just want to believe that he actually can be different. If he proves me wrong that will be nothing new to me. But I have to have this faith.
I voted for Nader in 2000. I was proud of that vote when I cast it. I thought that both candidates were basically talking heads and that I didn’t want to vote for either of them. That both parties were promising everything and would deliver nothing. Little did I know that eight years later our country would be facing the issues it is today. I wish we could hit a reverse button and let Gore have a chance at the past eight years. I have a feeling they would be much much different.
The way McCain would deal with Foreign Policy alone scares the shit out of me. We don’t need a cowboy speaking from the hip anymore. We need a reserved well thought out intellectual who thinks of all the issues in a Socratic manner. And approaches dealing with them logically and patiently.
It scares me to think McCain could be president after he can say things like, “I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw the three letters, KGB”, in the debate. One liners on foreign policy are not acceptable in my world anymore. I hope they aren’t in yours either. The world is too connected and complicagted to have Mavericks and cowboys running it anymore. We need to regain faith of our allies and begin democratic talks with our enemies.
Pushing our enemies into a corner and blasting empty threats has done nothing but to worsen our standing in the world. This has been proven as the Bush regime has begun to change course just currently.
What gets me is that the American people can’t see some of the bullshit McCain is shoveling. One of his great lines on his stump speech is about how he’s fought his own party. What does that mean really? That means he’s acted as a Democrat on those issues he’s fought them on. So we have a Maverick that is in other words claiming he’s acted as a Democrat on many issues he’s fought his own party on. Even after voting 90% of the time with Bush on the issues he’s not fighting them on. So he’s 10% a Democrat and 90% just like Bush. Can we take that risk now with so much at stake?
And he’s said over 18 times that he’s about deregulation in the markets on this very campaign and now that the deregulation has failed he claims that he’s for more regulation. Another blatant hypocrisy.
And you couple all of this with a Vice Presidential candidate who believes the world was created 4000 years ago. Doesn’t believe polar bears should be on the endangered species list, and honestly believes that Alaska having a proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, that global warming wasn’t caused by humans, and you have the biggest joke of a Republican candidates I’ve seen in my lifetime.
I don’t know how the choice couldn’t be more evident that Obama/Biden are the best ticket. I’m sorry you feel this way Kurt. I would love you to explain your side of it.
My mom, and two brothers are conservative and also don’t agree with me so I’m ok with you not agreeing but if you could explain your side I would really appreciate it. I can’t talk to my family about politics or religion anymore.
Here’s the problem. Obama doesn’t hesitate when he says he wants to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and he’ll send bombs into Pakistan if he feels it’s needed. I don’t think that is enough of a change. I see our military all over the world, and I ask myself “why”? Neither of these guys will lay it all out there. When Mondale said he would raise taxes, he received a serious beat down from Ronald Reagan. But at least Mondale was honest. I like Obama more than McCain, I think that’s obvious, but I don’t think Obama is nearly enough to the left as I want. I think health care should be free. Same with college and daycare. I know Obama won’t change any of these issues to the degree that I want them to be. And I don’t believe in war.
Well the way I see it we still have to go after our first target which was Osama bin Laden. That’s the main reason we are in Afghanistan and why we are trying to target him if he is indeed in Pakistan.
We fubarred Iraq and Afghanistan so much that if we don’t get him that will be the real historical blunder of America. The economy will pail I believe historically in comparison if we allow him to live out his life without bringing him to justice. I hate to sound like a cowboy. It’s so surreal that we would attack Iraq before getting bin Laden first. Now it will take decades to rebuild a country we destroyed.
I don’t believe in war either but going after bin Laden isn’t really a war. To me it’s more like a witch hunt. I myself don’t understand why we need thousands of troops to find one man. I would think the right Operatives, be it CIA, Special Forces, etc. could take out these targets. How can a many disappear on this planet with so much satellite surveillance.
Obama would be moving our country more to the left. He has become sort of a moderate while running his campaign but when he began this endeavor I think you would have liked his stance on the issues much more. I’m hoping if and once elected he moves further left and begins the revolution we need here, on education, healthcare, etc. that we so dearly need.
But dude. thanks for sharing. I appreciate it.
—————————–
I just wrote all of this. Talked to my wife, and she made me question what it’s worth getting Osama anyway. It’s more symbolic than anything correct? If we kill him will there not be another Osama? So would letting him go be the more “Christian” thing to do anyway.
It’s really just such a bloody mess. I do think there will be another attack on American soil regardless of the war on Terror. And I feel it’s done nothing but stir up a wasp’s nest.
I agree with your wife Byron. We were talking last night – “when will enough be enough”. I just don’t think there is any way to catch Bin Laden without alienating ourselves even more in that region. Plus I don’t know the exact specifics, but it seems like his is in bad health and he’s forced to live in hiding.
There’s terrorist attacks all over the world. I know of four terrorist attacks, if you don’t include assassinations, two on the world trade centers, one in Oklahoma, and one in Atlanta. We have to keep in mind that two of those attacks were by Americans. Why have we treated foreign terrorists so much worse than American terrorists? I mean all the destruction our country has done, not to mention how we’ve destroyed our international standing, for what, to get Osama Bin Laden. It hasn’t been worth it.
I think we should bow out the best way we can. Do our best to help people who need it. Start acting like the country we profess to be.
Part of the problem too, is the people in this country are by and large either dumb or apathetic (not anyone on this blog though).
Yeah. I wonder how much blood is enough blood before we feel we have gotten revenge. What is interesting to me also is that the Bush regime’s base is die hard evangelical Christians also and how turning the other cheek is supposed to be in their programming.
If Osama is some old sick man in a cave somewhere I believe he did win the war regardless. Our economy is about to topple it seems and fighting the two wars I’m sure had a major part of putting us into this financial crisis.
If we could reverse it and just go all the way back to 911 what would be the best approach. Since hindsight is 20/20 what should we have done?
I don’t know what the best approach would have been. I think we would have to go back way before 2001 to fix these problems. For sure we should have had the support of the international community. Which, if you guys remember, we did. Most of the world was on our side right after 9-11.
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