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	<title>Comments on: Making Marks in the Marketplace</title>
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		<title>By: Byron King</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-5350</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this 87 comment thread what was the turnout for the art critique?  I remember asking Shannon and I believe it was four people all and all. They had a good time, but the turnout was indeed small.

I find it strange that we can easily type away and make comments about how to improve things, but when we have to meet at a specific spot to make actual steps in the right direction we can&#039;t commit.  I was having surgery that day so I think I&#039;m exempt.  

One event we did as a group that I&#039;m still proud of was this low budget art installation at Memorial Park:
http://www.globatron.org/installation/target-practice

I&#039;d love to see more quick, cheap, group building, community awareness projects like this.  We should strive to do one monthly I believe.  Quarterly at least.

We definitely talk about art enough as a group.  It&#039;d be nice to work on a project together in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this 87 comment thread what was the turnout for the art critique?  I remember asking Shannon and I believe it was four people all and all. They had a good time, but the turnout was indeed small.</p>
<p>I find it strange that we can easily type away and make comments about how to improve things, but when we have to meet at a specific spot to make actual steps in the right direction we can&#8217;t commit.  I was having surgery that day so I think I&#8217;m exempt.  </p>
<p>One event we did as a group that I&#8217;m still proud of was this low budget art installation at Memorial Park:<br />
<a href="http://www.globatron.org/installation/target-practice" rel="nofollow">http://www.globatron.org/installation/target-practice</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see more quick, cheap, group building, community awareness projects like this.  We should strive to do one monthly I believe.  Quarterly at least.</p>
<p>We definitely talk about art enough as a group.  It&#8217;d be nice to work on a project together in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4569</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. knock loud- we&#039;re upstairs, but we&#039;ll be listening.</description>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4568</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An update on the group critique at Ali &amp; Shannon&#039;s studio:
We will be there at 7:30 this Wednesday, Dec. 10.  We would love for anyone to show up.  We have invited people, and seen some interest, but no one has yet said that they would definitely attend.  Our studio is at 2746 Park St.  It is the yellow building with the blue awning with &quot;ish&quot; painted on it, directly across from European Street.  It&#039;s going to be a fun and productive night, with wine (or byob), so come on!  And if nobody shows, we&#039;ll paint instead, and we&#039;ll regroup and try this again some time soon.  If you need more details, email me at shannonestlund@gmail.com.  Also email me if you like the idea but can&#039;t come this time, because I&#039;m really not giving up on this.
Byron, I&#039;m so sorry you won&#039;t be there.  If anything comes of it I&#039;ll do my best to document it for you. 
Thanks,
Shannon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update on the group critique at Ali &amp; Shannon&#8217;s studio:<br />
We will be there at 7:30 this Wednesday, Dec. 10.  We would love for anyone to show up.  We have invited people, and seen some interest, but no one has yet said that they would definitely attend.  Our studio is at 2746 Park St.  It is the yellow building with the blue awning with &#8220;ish&#8221; painted on it, directly across from European Street.  It&#8217;s going to be a fun and productive night, with wine (or byob), so come on!  And if nobody shows, we&#8217;ll paint instead, and we&#8217;ll regroup and try this again some time soon.  If you need more details, email me at <a href="mailto:shannonestlund@gmail.com">shannonestlund@gmail.com</a>.  Also email me if you like the idea but can&#8217;t come this time, because I&#8217;m really not giving up on this.<br />
Byron, I&#8217;m so sorry you won&#8217;t be there.  If anything comes of it I&#8217;ll do my best to document it for you.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Shannon</p>
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		<title>By: Whats been going on? &#171; The Outer Box</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4501</link>
		<dc:creator>Whats been going on? &#171; The Outer Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to get done for me. In closing here is a damn good read that I suggest every artist in Jacksonville takes a good look at over at globatron.org. Here is a quote from Mark Creegan and Byron King that I really enjoyed and really hit home with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to get done for me. In closing here is a damn good read that I suggest every artist in Jacksonville takes a good look at over at globatron.org. Here is a quote from Mark Creegan and Byron King that I really enjoyed and really hit home with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Byron King</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4491</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far we&#039;ll have a huge crowd at this :)

Kurt is the only person who has responded saying they could make it.  

If you are coming shoot an email with the subject Crit Club to 

info@globatron.org.

Unfortunately I won&#039;t be able to make it that day due to medical reasons. Dang it.  Sorry all.  

Dec. 10th at 7:30. Please respond and I&#039;ll pass the list on to Shannon and Ali.


thanks,

Byron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far we&#8217;ll have a huge crowd at this <img src='http://www.globatron.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kurt is the only person who has responded saying they could make it.  </p>
<p>If you are coming shoot an email with the subject Crit Club to </p>
<p><a href="mailto:info@globatron.org">info@globatron.org</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I won&#8217;t be able to make it that day due to medical reasons. Dang it.  Sorry all.  </p>
<p>Dec. 10th at 7:30. Please respond and I&#8217;ll pass the list on to Shannon and Ali.</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>Byron</p>
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		<title>By: kurt polkey</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4485</link>
		<dc:creator>kurt polkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Americans want, first, signs of a special talent. Second is lots of evident labor; third comes nonabject materials. The fourth requisite is realism, followed by noble (or at least not ignoble) content&quot;.

An art professor&#039;s take on art as told to the art writer and artist Peter Plagen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Americans want, first, signs of a special talent. Second is lots of evident labor; third comes nonabject materials. The fourth requisite is realism, followed by noble (or at least not ignoble) content&#8221;.</p>
<p>An art professor&#8217;s take on art as told to the art writer and artist Peter Plagen.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4484</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to the original questions about creating an art scene, I&#039;ve been thinking about something Kurt wrote on Madeleine&#039;s blog.  Paraphrased, Kurt mentioned his experience with gallery owner&#039;s in other cities (from established art markets) were very apprehensive about investing time/money into an artist living outside that city (correct me if I&#039;m wrong, Kurt).  That attitude does make since, after all, they got a BUSINESS to run.

I&#039;ve been studying the street art scene for a while.  Some of the work is really tight, other work not so much so... but what is neat is that they have built thier community heavily on the internet, and the galleries representing such folk appear far more willing to invest in artists well outside thier cities.  I think one reason the galleries are more comfortable is because of the extremely tight internet community (these artist come with a built in audience).  Some artist have established careers in which galleries play a relatively some part (Sheppard Fairey a successful example). 

It intrigues me that one street artist (regardless of age, skill, place in life) can put up a wheatpast in an unnamed alley in whatever city, and a few hours later, 100,000 people see it on the net word wide.  Now that’s exposure.

I suppose these folks are taking that path that for three reasons: they are young and don&#039;t know no better, the need for anonymity, and they often live countries apart.

Either way, if it&#039;s all Greek to you, take a look at www.woostercollective.com, it&#039;s link to streetsy, http://banksyforum.proboards82.com/, or just Google STENCIL STREET ARTIST GRAFFITI...  or artist Swoon, ElbowToe, Armsrock, Herakut, London Police, Logan Hicks, etc.

I’m not proposing to go and glue/spraypaint/stencil up downtown, but these folks got something going for them.  After all, I’m blogging about them, they ain’t blogging about me…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to the original questions about creating an art scene, I&#8217;ve been thinking about something Kurt wrote on Madeleine&#8217;s blog.  Paraphrased, Kurt mentioned his experience with gallery owner&#8217;s in other cities (from established art markets) were very apprehensive about investing time/money into an artist living outside that city (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, Kurt).  That attitude does make since, after all, they got a BUSINESS to run.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been studying the street art scene for a while.  Some of the work is really tight, other work not so much so&#8230; but what is neat is that they have built thier community heavily on the internet, and the galleries representing such folk appear far more willing to invest in artists well outside thier cities.  I think one reason the galleries are more comfortable is because of the extremely tight internet community (these artist come with a built in audience).  Some artist have established careers in which galleries play a relatively some part (Sheppard Fairey a successful example). </p>
<p>It intrigues me that one street artist (regardless of age, skill, place in life) can put up a wheatpast in an unnamed alley in whatever city, and a few hours later, 100,000 people see it on the net word wide.  Now that’s exposure.</p>
<p>I suppose these folks are taking that path that for three reasons: they are young and don&#8217;t know no better, the need for anonymity, and they often live countries apart.</p>
<p>Either way, if it&#8217;s all Greek to you, take a look at <a href="http://www.woostercollective.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.woostercollective.com</a>, it&#8217;s link to streetsy, <a href="http://banksyforum.proboards82.com/" rel="nofollow">http://banksyforum.proboards82.com/</a>, or just Google STENCIL STREET ARTIST GRAFFITI&#8230;  or artist Swoon, ElbowToe, Armsrock, Herakut, London Police, Logan Hicks, etc.</p>
<p>I’m not proposing to go and glue/spraypaint/stencil up downtown, but these folks got something going for them.  After all, I’m blogging about them, they ain’t blogging about me…..</p>
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		<title>By: valuistics.com &#187; Archive &#187; Why Globatron.org is worth reading (JAX people)</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4483</link>
		<dc:creator>valuistics.com &#187; Archive &#187; Why Globatron.org is worth reading (JAX people)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog called JAXCal have been met. And the world is starting to turn for Jacksonville artists. Check out this post on Globatron and tell me it doesn&#8217;t contain artists doing what they do best: solving problems [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog called JAXCal have been met. And the world is starting to turn for Jacksonville artists. Check out this post on Globatron and tell me it doesn&#8217;t contain artists doing what they do best: solving problems [...]</p>
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		<title>By: morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4482</link>
		<dc:creator>morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is great exposure for the artists who have joined in such a liberal discussion, next week is art basel in miami and when bk and kurt and creegan and myself maybe some others, are there it will be a good feeling to finally hand them a globatron business card. the blog has grown and a healthy discussion has saved us from one anothers anger at the city. thanks to all for growing with the site, we can change the status quo if we just apply ourselves a little....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is great exposure for the artists who have joined in such a liberal discussion, next week is art basel in miami and when bk and kurt and creegan and myself maybe some others, are there it will be a good feeling to finally hand them a globatron business card. the blog has grown and a healthy discussion has saved us from one anothers anger at the city. thanks to all for growing with the site, we can change the status quo if we just apply ourselves a little&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron King</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just play it by ear.  Got your email.  You had some good points.  Maybe video is good that it would even make people think a little more before they speak.  I believe thinking before one speaks in a critique is a good thing.  Possibly even listening is more important than speaking though I&#039;ve found out (in life in general).

But all we really need is a few photos and a blog post just to continue the dialogue and document that it happened.  Either way though.

Thanks Shannon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just play it by ear.  Got your email.  You had some good points.  Maybe video is good that it would even make people think a little more before they speak.  I believe thinking before one speaks in a critique is a good thing.  Possibly even listening is more important than speaking though I&#8217;ve found out (in life in general).</p>
<p>But all we really need is a few photos and a blog post just to continue the dialogue and document that it happened.  Either way though.</p>
<p>Thanks Shannon.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4480</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in person discussion, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in person discussion, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4479</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byron,
maybe that could be the first topic of discussion- how much video-ing.  If I&#039;m the only one who&#039;s concerned then I&#039;ll just get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron,<br />
maybe that could be the first topic of discussion- how much video-ing.  If I&#8217;m the only one who&#8217;s concerned then I&#8217;ll just get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: kurt polkey</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4478</link>
		<dc:creator>kurt polkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
How &#039;bout The Wanderers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
How &#8217;bout The Wanderers?</p>
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		<title>By: byron king</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4477</link>
		<dc:creator>byron king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really hoping to video them if I was involved with them.  I love video for documentation.  Especially for something like this.

But I agree, about any sort of documentation at all, via photos of the work, etc.  would need to be done of each one if we are to continue the discussion via the bloggy.  

Sure love video though, especially for these types of events.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really hoping to video them if I was involved with them.  I love video for documentation.  Especially for something like this.</p>
<p>But I agree, about any sort of documentation at all, via photos of the work, etc.  would need to be done of each one if we are to continue the discussion via the bloggy.  </p>
<p>Sure love video though, especially for these types of events.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds great James.  I was picturing a video camera running the whole time.  What you describe sounds very useful and not at all inhibiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds great James.  I was picturing a video camera running the whole time.  What you describe sounds very useful and not at all inhibiting.</p>
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		<title>By: valuistics</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4475</link>
		<dc:creator>valuistics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Byron and Shannon. With past efforts to get people together still fresh in mind, it would be most valuable to establish attendance at the crit meetings and get the word out, to just start doing it. Then we&#039;ll worry about formal concerns later. 

Shannon- the crit would not have to be video recorded at all. A few photos of the works would be enough. Just some documentation would be needed if the crit is to continue on in the form of a blog with comments for future dialogue. If you don;t want to do that, no big deal. It&#039;s just that we&#039;re having such a good back and fourth here it would perhaps be beneficial to utilize this network in the service of boosting the critical framework. 

This could also be a jumping off point for reviewing. The more we familiarize ourselves with various artists, the deeper we can go in interviews and reviews of shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Byron and Shannon. With past efforts to get people together still fresh in mind, it would be most valuable to establish attendance at the crit meetings and get the word out, to just start doing it. Then we&#8217;ll worry about formal concerns later. </p>
<p>Shannon- the crit would not have to be video recorded at all. A few photos of the works would be enough. Just some documentation would be needed if the crit is to continue on in the form of a blog with comments for future dialogue. If you don;t want to do that, no big deal. It&#8217;s just that we&#8217;re having such a good back and fourth here it would perhaps be beneficial to utilize this network in the service of boosting the critical framework. </p>
<p>This could also be a jumping off point for reviewing. The more we familiarize ourselves with various artists, the deeper we can go in interviews and reviews of shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Estlund</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4474</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Estlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byron,
I agree about keeping it simple for now.  First let&#039;s just show up.  Then we can look around and see who else showed up.  Then we can bang out the details.

I would say that I&#039;m a little intimidated by the idea of the entire crit being on camera.   I think it&#039;s important for an artist to hear the rough first impressions people have about their work, and we might miss out on some of that if some people (me included) are concerned about thinking out a well-worded response to a piece because of the presence of the camera.  I suppose I could get used to it if it were imortant to other people.  But maybe we could do half and half? 

I&#039;m so glad we have some interest in the crit group!  I think it can become a really valuable tool for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron,<br />
I agree about keeping it simple for now.  First let&#8217;s just show up.  Then we can look around and see who else showed up.  Then we can bang out the details.</p>
<p>I would say that I&#8217;m a little intimidated by the idea of the entire crit being on camera.   I think it&#8217;s important for an artist to hear the rough first impressions people have about their work, and we might miss out on some of that if some people (me included) are concerned about thinking out a well-worded response to a piece because of the presence of the camera.  I suppose I could get used to it if it were imortant to other people.  But maybe we could do half and half? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad we have some interest in the crit group!  I think it can become a really valuable tool for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: jim draper</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4472</link>
		<dc:creator>jim draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone must keep talking.  These conversations should include
a lot of different people who are in different places in their
lives.  I think it would be good for several artists to work on
projects together, not sure what that would be, but that is
a good way to build.

jd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone must keep talking.  These conversations should include<br />
a lot of different people who are in different places in their<br />
lives.  I think it would be good for several artists to work on<br />
projects together, not sure what that would be, but that is<br />
a good way to build.</p>
<p>jd</p>
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		<title>By: byron king</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4471</link>
		<dc:creator>byron king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool James.

Let&#039;s not complicate it anymore than it has to be.  If you are interested just shoot an email to info@globatron.org with your name
and contact info.  That should be enough to get us started.  Then maybe I&#039;ll add a link off the sidebar for it in the future.  

Put in the subject bar: Crit Club I guess.  

Thanks James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool James.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not complicate it anymore than it has to be.  If you are interested just shoot an email to <a href="mailto:info@globatron.org">info@globatron.org</a> with your name<br />
and contact info.  That should be enough to get us started.  Then maybe I&#8217;ll add a link off the sidebar for it in the future.  </p>
<p>Put in the subject bar: Crit Club I guess.  </p>
<p>Thanks James.</p>
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		<title>By: valuistics</title>
		<link>http://www.globatron.org/artcoverage/making-marks-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-2#comment-4470</link>
		<dc:creator>valuistics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay then. So let&#039;s try it at Shannon&#039;s &amp; Ali&#039;s first and set up a schedule. I may have time to prepare a schedule, I may not. A good way to start would be to get a list of every artist who is interested. Could we make a signup page on the site, Byron? 

I think it should be a weekend thing or a Friday thing. One fun thing about maybe doing a crit in a small group on a Friday or Saturday, but you could then go out to local shows afterwards. What a good way to 1. meet other artists in the flesh and talk about their work, and have the favor returned, but 2. Show solidarity and support for the artist community. 

This is great. This is a step in the right direction. The art community here will do things together (constituting a scene, I gather) if artists become their own booster group. Why does it sound like such an old-school idea? Is this why grand dad was in so many clubs? Because he believed in community? Never really made this connection before but our grandparent&#039;s generation had more people involved in local clubs: Rotary, Elks, Veterans, Garden, Church, Bowling Leagues, etc. And they knew everybody in their town. Why, the answer is so simple. If we want a community then we need to activate the community that is here via a club. But how to prevent it from becoming a clique? Because art cliques turn people off and its already clique-y enough.

I picture a scene like in the beginning of the movie Warriors, with every crit club from every hood representing, but agreeing to the same terms. Then of course there&#039;s the rest of the movie...

The first rule of Crit Club: Tell everybody about Crit Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay then. So let&#8217;s try it at Shannon&#8217;s &amp; Ali&#8217;s first and set up a schedule. I may have time to prepare a schedule, I may not. A good way to start would be to get a list of every artist who is interested. Could we make a signup page on the site, Byron? </p>
<p>I think it should be a weekend thing or a Friday thing. One fun thing about maybe doing a crit in a small group on a Friday or Saturday, but you could then go out to local shows afterwards. What a good way to 1. meet other artists in the flesh and talk about their work, and have the favor returned, but 2. Show solidarity and support for the artist community. </p>
<p>This is great. This is a step in the right direction. The art community here will do things together (constituting a scene, I gather) if artists become their own booster group. Why does it sound like such an old-school idea? Is this why grand dad was in so many clubs? Because he believed in community? Never really made this connection before but our grandparent&#8217;s generation had more people involved in local clubs: Rotary, Elks, Veterans, Garden, Church, Bowling Leagues, etc. And they knew everybody in their town. Why, the answer is so simple. If we want a community then we need to activate the community that is here via a club. But how to prevent it from becoming a clique? Because art cliques turn people off and its already clique-y enough.</p>
<p>I picture a scene like in the beginning of the movie Warriors, with every crit club from every hood representing, but agreeing to the same terms. Then of course there&#8217;s the rest of the movie&#8230;</p>
<p>The first rule of Crit Club: Tell everybody about Crit Club.</p>
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