Akbar’s thought experiments #2 – A Case for Creationism

Thought Experiment:

Imagine human beings 1500 years in the future.  Imagine them fully transcendent over their biological forms and fully integrated with digital forms of physicality.  Imagine furthermore, that these new humans had set up a network of communication devices stretching across great cosmic distances allowing us to travel, in our data forms, very quickly over vast distances of space.

Now, imagine that having found a planet much like early earth, but lacking biological life, that we took it upon ourselves to create a hodge-podge set of creatures, utilizing our advanced genetic capabilities and then we went about stocking this new planet with fully evolved forms of life, from sea creatures, to running land animals, to plants and trees, supplemented by bacteria and enzymes, etc.  Then of course, after having some fun with these things, we developed a type of humanoid, perhaps an animal of unimaginable form, but one nonetheless that was capable of social life and rational thought, but integrated with nature, so that it was somewhat primitive.

Further, imagine that we utilized various means to communicate with this creature and that set up rules, that we disciplined this creature, so as to make of ourselves Gods.  And being good-natured, when this creature asked about how their world came to be we answered them, telling them how we quickly engineered various forms of life and injected them onto this world.  And as this creature grew and developed it became more and more curious and demanding, and knowing what we knew about psychology, we knew that we were separated from this creature by our history, and slowly we had to let this creature go, leaving it with an oral history, but also leaving it with the beginnings of pain and existential suffering.  We watched, occasionally we would intervene, but having set up a history much like our own, we veered toward isolation.  The fate of such creatures might even be the source of furious debate among our own, and there might be an entire legal system developed to govern our relationship, a legal system that might occasionally be broken by rebellious individuals.  Who knows?  All I know is that I can see this as an empirical possibility knowing what I know about rational expectations about the potentials of current scientific endeavors.


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  1. globatron
    February 17, 2010

    interesting thought experiment.

    I should attempt a new experiment where all the stories in the holy books are actually true.

    But even if they were true what you have developed is not too far off from many of the stories from many of the religions.

    If we are one with “God” as many religions believe then your thought experiment parallels many faiths.

    And just imagine if this experiment is happening in infinity in infinite dimensions.

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  2. Cole
    February 18, 2010

    Curious and a bit bizare. Homo Sapiens have not changed much as a species for a million years. It is unlikely we will change much in the next 1500 years. The writer puts forward intelligent design beliefs and is probably a Scientologist. Scientologists believe that man was put on earth by an intelligent alien race by design. I guess it’s better than a belief that the world was created 6,000 years ago to “look old.” No wonder our Florida students are hurting when it comes to science and the critical thinking skills they will need to be successful in life. Belief in science is not a denial of God.

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  3. globatron
    February 18, 2010

    Cole, humans are predicted to merge with technology by the year 2045 or sooner. Look up technological singularity, trans-humanism, and posthumanism if you think this is the stuff of scientology. After reading of the technological singularity if you still feel this way then I would have to say good luck with your world view because this is not science fiction.

    I don’t think Akbar was saying belief in science is a denial in God too. It’s interesting that you read it that way.

    Is it possible that we are all God? Even the Scientologist? Even the food we eat and the ants under our feet?

    And Akbar is writing this from outside of NYC so your thoughts on how this post relates to the Florida educational system are a bit off as well. Glad the thought experiment actually made you think though.

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  4. Akbar Lightning
    February 18, 2010

    Curious and a bit bizarre…welp, that a pretty good description of me actually…

    my whole point with this post was not to put forward an agenda, especially not some cultish scientology, but to question the assumptions we have about the scientific genesis story, one i am inclined to agree with…nonetheless, as we are going to become quite integrated with technology in the very near future, it occurs to me that life, and intelligence is becoming ‘theoretically’ much more transportable than ever before, and this allows us to imagine much about the true, and by true i mean scientific nature of the universe.

    scientists have no proof concerning whether or not other planets exhibit life, or whether or not intelligent beings are out there, they can barely agree on the size of the universe.

    it is an open game, and as far as I’m concerned i’m interested in exploring the boundaries, the frontiers…

    akbar
    to infinity and beyond….

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  5. Akbar Lightning
    February 18, 2010

    and just to be provocative….

    science and God will someday meet…this is, paradoxically, the exact purpose of science, to understand existence, and the existence of God is therefore a scientific question…we merely lack the scientific tools to reach that deeply….

    if you believe in God, then you believe that anything is possible, even that we may someday be capable of connecting with God…via science perhaps…

    science is not as value free as we like to think…all areas of study come with particular agendas, they are driven by human desire…these psychological realities are complex.

    it is important to point out that science is having a hell of a time, and the Florida school system, it could be said, is a product of a social science, more than a religious one…

    it is possible that the best case scenario is one, as i have tried to point out, where God and science are part of the same reality, where our experience of existence is not as simple and dogmatic as Cole’s comment points to, one with narrow political aims, and an expectation that humans will never change, and that our world is not as dynamic as some of us believe…

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  6. globatron
    February 18, 2010

    I think science and God are very close to meeting already. Or might already be having coffee together somewhere getting a big laugh out of these discussions.

    Example:
    Quantum physics has created an offshoot philosophy called quantum consciousness.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind

    To me this is a wonderful addition because it introduces a new way of thinking into science, spirituality.

    It also parallels extremely well with the Greek and eastern philosophies and the teachings of metaphysics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

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